that's right guys.
as i told you before, they boe have been considering me for the eldership.
which i don't care for, but since my family is stuck in this cult, i guess i can use the new position to help them see that the holy spirit has nothing to do with me being an elder.
Scotsman - you said - he'll be a hypocrite, big deal
BIG DEAL????????????
My God man, we want to remove the old WT traits not pursue them. To become an elder OOTB will need to lie about and hide who he really is.
Would we want our friends to be liars and cheats? Of course not.
And please explain - why am I "a fader" a hypocrite?
THE scotsman
that's right guys.
as i told you before, they boe have been considering me for the eldership.
which i don't care for, but since my family is stuck in this cult, i guess i can use the new position to help them see that the holy spirit has nothing to do with me being an elder.
AK-Jeff
You say this - "If a sister came to me and told me she had been raped by an elder in the congregation I would advise her to call the police first, seek counselling, and find the help she needed to deal with the matter properly. If a teen came to me and admitted that he/she was involved in masturbation, I would tell them that this is a normal thing, and to quit feeling guilty. You get the point.
I can assure you that you would be removed as an elder faster than a nuns first curry if you said anything like that. Not that I disagree with what you say - you are absolutely right. But the org would not agree. Elders need to toe the line, some may be as flexible as much as they can be, but their is not much room for that.
I just think that outofthebox would totally regret taking the position. In the end I found it so frustrating.
that's right guys.
as i told you before, they boe have been considering me for the eldership.
which i don't care for, but since my family is stuck in this cult, i guess i can use the new position to help them see that the holy spirit has nothing to do with me being an elder.
I have to agree with Reniaa.
Being an elder is a position of trust and it would be dishonest to take this position.
I was an elder and I can confirm that though some here suggest you "use your new power" it is simply not true. You will be able to do nothing to affect the thinking and actions of rank and file JWs - this is a mind control cult and no single person can change it.
You mention you celebrated a brithday. Consider this...An elders meeting is called to discuss that it has become known to the body of elders that someone has celebrated a birthday. You and 2 others are selected to be the Judicial committee. The person is unrepentent so YOU and the 2 others must disfellowship the person. They will lose all contact with friends and family because of this.
Now, how would you "feel" about that? Its hard I am sure you would agree.
I stepped down as an elder last year because I would be a hypocrite to continue.
If you do take the position you will become frustrated with the deep deep hypocrisy of it all.
hello everyone.
i have a pdf of the april 15th wt - can anyone here host this so the whole world can receive food at the proper time?.
it is a 9.8mb zip file.. thanks.
Here is the scan of the April 15th 2008 WT. (Apostates get a special mention on pages 6 & 7.)
Perhaps someone can download the PDF and host it for us so download speeds are a bit better.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8lz3sl
I will upload May15th next week.
hello everyone.
i have a pdf of the april 15th wt - can anyone here host this so the whole world can receive food at the proper time?.
it is a 9.8mb zip file.. thanks.
Hello Everyone
I have a PDF of the April 15th WT - can anyone here host this so the whole world can receive food at the proper time?
It is a 9.8MB zip file.
Thanks
update on original thread from last week.... .
Update on original thread from last week...
how are the rank and file reacting to the news that the anointed numbers they have been waiting decades for to decrease, are actually increasing?
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are there any murmerings about this in your hall?
A recent watchtower mentioned that JWs should be grateful that anointed are still here with them in these last days.
Generally that is the response in my hall, but that will only last a certain amount of time - if the number of partakers keeps going up a doctrinal change will need to happen.
But the typical JW just absorbs change like a sponge - they rationalize that the light is just getting brighter.
The Scotsman
the nightmare scenario is slowly unravelling for the wts.. since 1935 , wtbts policy was to shut up the kingdom of heaven by implying that any new anointed was at best misled & at worst a fake.
franzs replacement theory did little to help matters.
this suppressed many jws from becoming anointed.. recent wt articles & changes in thought has resulted in a surge in jws claiming this status.
It is a real tricky scenario.
The number of partakers increased by 3.8% in 2007. (8758 to 9105)
This increase is faster than the rest of the org, which was 3.1%
The current situation is totally unsustainable - unless a further doctrinal change is made.
The youtube video below sums it it up very well.
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billboard advert for memorial in brasil.. i am not sure if the org has done this before???
is this a new method???
Billboard advert for memorial in Brasil.
I am not sure if the org has done this before??? Is this a new method????
noticed that i'm seeing all these things that i didn't see before... like when the wt or revelaton book states something, or when the bible states something... i mean, i never noticed this many things before... before, i noticed only a few major doctrine issues.
but, now, i'm noticing things all the time.... i mean, i'm trying to take a break.
i'm trying to not pay attention... but, they are saying things that really piss me off and i'm wondering to myself, what the hell was wrong with me... how did i not notice it before???
Cognac
I feel exactly the same – Now that my mind has woke up I find the meetings really hard. I have now got to the stage of slightly shaking my head during the meeting at some of the stuff said.
Last night was no exception – e.g.
Brother giving talk said this –
“Brothers, Armageddon is so near that the ministry is incredibly urgent. We are in the last gasp of this system. Now is the time to throw off every unnecessary burden and pursue the ministry. These are the last days of the last days.”
Well I was sitting in my seat mumbling to myself and shaking my head – They have said this since the late 1800s – I said to my wife.
(I will need to be careful – I could become a dividing influence in the cong by shaking my head a little bit.)
Another test is the book study (Revelation Climax book) This whole book just creates in me question after question. In fact, I cant get passed one of the first points made in this book – By inspiration I came to be in the lords day – org tell us this is “clearly” 1914. What I had not really noticed before is that this “one” point sets the foundation for the entire book. If the org ever change this date in there understanding they would need to rewrite the whole book.
Anyway, the way I have illustrated it is - Our life is like walking on a tight rope with the Truth being the safety net. Suddenly the safety net is being removed but we need to keep going on the tight rope – life goes on without the org. This initially can create feelings of fear, even danger. But the bottom line is as long as we “think” the truth is the safety net we will not think rationally and will miss oh so much.
I also find it difficult to keep quiet. I sometimes feel like standing up in the middle of the kingdom hall and screaming at the top of my voice - ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND.
I think I would get in trouble for doing that!!!
